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- Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG)
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- Report from the IESG Teleconference
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- 24 June 1993
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- Recorded by: John Stewart, IESG Secretary
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- This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
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- These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat, which is supported
- by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.
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- For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
- iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.
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- ATTENDEES
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- Bradner, Scott / Harvard
- Chapin, Lyman / BBN
- Coya, Steve / CNRI
- Crocker, Dave / SGI
- Crocker, Steve / TIS
- Gross, Philip / ANS
- Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
- Klensin, John / UNU
- Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
- Mankin, Allison / Locus
- Rose, Marshall / DBC
- Stewart, John / CNRI
- Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
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- IAB Liaison
- Christian Huitema / INRIA
- Yakov Rekhter / IBM
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- Regrets
- Hinden, Robert / SUN
- Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
- Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
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- Minutes
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- 1. Administrative Issues
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- o Roll Call
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- o Revisions to the Agenda
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- o Approval of the Minutes
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- - The minutes of the 13 May, 27 May, and 10 June
- IESG teleconferences were approved.
-
- o Scott Bradner will not be in Amsterdam
-
- o The IESG/IAB lunch in Amsterdam will be Wednesday
- 14 July; probably in the RAI for convenience.
-
- 2. Protocol Actions
-
- o The IESG approved the elevation of the MIME Internet-
- Drafts ("MIME Part 1" and "MIME Part 2") to the status
- of Draft Standard.
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- o The IESG approved the MIME-MHS Internet-Drafts ("Mapping
- between X.400 and RFC-822 Message Bodies," "Equivalences
- between 1988 X.400 and RFC-822 Message Bodies," and
- "HARPOON: Rules for downgrading messages from X.400/88
- to X.400/84 when MIME content-types are present in the
- messages") for the status of Proposed Standard.
-
- o The IESG approved the "Content-MD5 Header" Internet-Draft
- for the status of Proposed Standard.
-
- o The IESG approved the Common Authentication Technology
- Internet-Draft ("Generic Security Service Application
- Program Interface," "The Kerberos Network Authentication
- Service (V5)," and "Generic Security Service API:
- C-bindings") for the status of Proposed Standard.
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- 3. Working Group Actions
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- o Multiparty Multimedia Session Control (mmusic) was
- approved as a working group under the Transport Area.
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- o Inter-Domain Multicast Routing (idmr) was approved as a
- working group under the Routing Area.
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- 4. Working Group Informational Documents
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- o Assertion of C=US; A=IMX <info>
- Erik Huizer said that the technical quality of the
- document is good, but there is a question about whether
- documents whose scope is limited to one nation are in
- the purview of the IESG/IETF. After some discussion,
- he said that he thinks it would be acceptable to
- approve this document for Experimental status, but that
- the IESG still needs to decide on a general policy for
- how to deal with documents of significance to a single
- nation. One person noted that this could be thought of
- analogous to NTP's current status; specifically,
- something which is of good technical quality, but is
- not appropriate or of interest to the entire IETF. It
- was also noted that if approving this document resulted
- in interoperability across U.S. borders, then perhaps
- it is not "just" pertinent to one nation.
-
- A question was brought up as to why the Internet needs
- a node so high up in the naming tree; a comment was
- also made that the ADMD=" " convention might break some
- current implementations. Naming in this context
- involves policy issues which are decided by an ANSI /
- U.S. State Department collaboration.
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- ACTION (Klensin, Chapin): Edit the document for any particular
- content and/or terminology which may be expected by the ANSI /
- U.S. State Department collaboration.
-
- o Guidelines for OSPF / Frame Relay <info>
- No action to report.
-
- o Op Reqs for X.400 Mngmnt Domains in GO-MHS <info>
- Erik Huizer has not yet read the document. He will ask
- John Klensin to look at it.
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- 5. Management Issues
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- o HP's complaint about TELNET Environment Option
- The crux of this problem is that the way the working group
- documented the environment option was inadvertently
- different than the reference implementation; the working
- group's solution to the inconsistency was to change the
- specification to match the implementation. This upset
- Hewlett-Packard because they coded to the RFC. It was
- noted that this is a clash of cultures resulting from the
- Internet's growth and attention by more parties. The way
- the IESG can address this issue in general is by setting
- policies for acceptable types of changes to go from
- Proposed to Draft and from Draft to Standard. For this
- specific case, the consensus was to allow the working
- group to make the change, but to do so in recycling the
- RFC back to Proposed (i.e., rather than going from
- Proposed to Draft Standard). Also, the working group will
- have to address any interoperability problems before moving
- up to Draft. As a general procedural matter, it was agreed
- that all organizations doing business with the IESG should
- do so via electronic mail.
-
- ACTION (Coya, Stewart): Draft a statement on acceptable types of
- changes that can happen when going from Proposed to Draft and
- from Draft to Standard.
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- ACTION (Huizer, Klensin): Inform the telnet working group of the
- IESG's discussion, and supply them with a revised version of the
- document to be drafted by Coya and Stewart. This action should
- be taken before the IESG responds to Hewlett-Package.
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- ACTION (Gross): Respond to Hewlett-Packard's complaint after the
- document to be drafted by Coya and Stewart is completed, and
- after the telnet working group has been told of the IESG
- discussion.
-
- o IP over ARCNET <rfc1201> from Historic to Draft
- Don Provan of Novell responded late to the Last Call
- with information to the effect that there were as many
- as five implementations of RFC1201. This issue will
- be tabled until the members of the IESG have a chance
- to see Provan's message.
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- ACTION (Stewart): Send Don Provan's message to the IESG mailing
- list.
-
- o ATM Forum
- Allison Mankin reported that the June 21-23 ATM Forum
- meeting voted to object to the proposed IETF vc-routing
- charter of producing a routing protocol specification for
- ATM. This vote was consonant with the view of the ATM
- Forum's technical committee chair, Glenn Estes, who had
- previously talked with her about his disagreement with
- Fred Sammartino's (the President of ATM Forum's) position
- on vc-routing. As comment on the vote about IETF,
- Estes has stated that IETF members are welcome to participate
- in developing the standard in the ATM Forum, through their
- companies' Forum memberships. Standards contributions
- can only be received from Forum members. Further discussion
- on this will wait until Bob Hinden is able to participate.
-
- Christian Huitema reported that there was a similar discussion
- in an IAB teleconference recently.
-
- ACTION (Gross): Communicate the IESG's discussion on the IETF/ATM
- Forum issue to the IAB.
-
- ACTION (Mankin, Gross, Hinden): Talk privately about the IETF/ATM
- Forum issue, and then contact the vc-routing proposed working group
- chairs.
-
- o Router Requirements Working Group
- There has been no luck in contacting Phill Almquist, the
- current chair of Router Requirements, to try and find the
- working group's status.
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- ACTION (Knowles): Continue to try to contact Almquist.
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- ACTION (Gross, Rose, Knowles): Try to find new chair(s) and four
- editors.
-
- o BBN's request for ST-II demo
- Erik Huizer was concerned about BBN's last minute request
- and logistically complex request to do an ST-II demo.
-
- o Second IESG Liaison to the IAB
- During the period of the POISED activities, it was decided
- that the IESG and IAB should each exchange 2 representatives
- to participate on the other body. This would include the
- respective chairs and one other member.
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- During these discussions, Bob Hinden was nominated, and
- tentatively agreed to serve, as the second IESG representative
- on the IAB. During this call, the IESG agreed to extend the
- invitation to Bob.
-
- During the discussion, it was noted that the IAB decided that
- the IETF chair would have an ex-officio vote on IAB matters, but
- the other IESG representative would not. There was a brief
- related discussion about whether the IAB should vote, or even
- participate, on the IESG. Because the IAB plays a part in
- appeals, some felt that this gave the IAB two votes. There was
- not enough of a discussion to come to consensus.
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- ACTION (Gross): Talk to Bob Hinden about being the second IESG
- liaison to the IAB. (Note: Gross has since spoken to Hinden,
- and Hinden has agreed to serve.)
-
- o IETF Charter
- Phill Gross is currently working on it.
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- ACTION (Gross): Present draft of the IETF Charter by Amsterdam.
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- 6. RFC Editor Actions
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- o Simple Paging Protocol
- There was consensus that work of this nature should be the
- result of an IETF working group. Some felt that there
- were simpler ways to achieve the author's goal and that
- another protocol was not necessary. An extension will be
- requested from the RFC Editor so that the IESG can contact
- the author about participating in a working group effort.
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- ACTION (Stewart): Request an extension from the RFC Editor so
- that the IESG can talk to the author about participating in a
- working group.
-
- o Reverse Bootp
- Dave Piscitello was not present, so there was little
- discussion.
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- ACTION (Stewart): Request an extension from the RFC Editor so
- that we can get input from Dave Piscitello.
-